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The eight-day long “operation silence” has ended with the death of Maulana Abdul Rasheed Ghazi, and his 70 aides in addition to 8 security troops, including a lt. colonel and a captain.
Contrary to his “hardline” brother, Maulana Abdul Aziz, who was arrested while trying to flee in Burqa on the second day of operation, Maulana Ghazi refused to surrender and fought till last bullet.
The 80-year old mother of Maulana Ghazi was also killed in the operation, however security forces claimed that she died due to suffocation.
Though, the operation is over, mystery still shrouds the breakdown of talks between an Ulema delegation, and Maulana Ghazi that led to bloodshed.
Qari Hanif Jalahindari, one of the members of four-member Ulema delegation which was supposed to meet Mr. Ghazi on Tuesday morning to negotiate says that the two sides were almost reached at an agreement.
“ We had suggested that Maulana Ghazi will surrender and he will be shifted to his hometown with his family. Later, A judicial inquiry would be initiated against him, and if he was found guilty, he would have been arrested”, Qari Hanif told newsmen.
Mr. Ghazi had also agreed to hand over 15 wanted militants to the government, he said.
“ Our suggestion was welcomed by the two sides. But when the draft of the proposed agreement was sent to President House, it amended that, which was not acceptable to Maulana Ghazi”, he said.
He said that President House amended the draft asking Maulana Ghazi to surrender and hand over 50 wanted people to the government instead of 15. The amendment was turned down by Mr. Ghazi, he said.
“ General Musharraf has been under immense pressure from his close aides after death of Lt Colonel Haroon (killed during Sunday’s operation)”, a government official said wishing not to be named. He was also under immense pressure from the United States to prove that he does not in any way giving Leverage to Islamic Fundamentalists.
Here are some questions
1) Who is responsible for the Red Mosque carnage?
2) Could the issue have been resolved through talks?
3) Ulema blame Musharraf for failure of talks. What do you think?
4) Will Red Mosque bloodshed fan the religious extremism in the country and are Govt claims regarding casualty`s true as Journalists are not allowed in or near the Hospitals?
5) Has the Red Mosque operation turned Ghazi into a hero instead of a villain?
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Have Your Say
Allah give hidayat to all people of the world.b/c these all are holy prophet (pbuh),s ummati.
mohammad altaf, Pakistan
Musharaf is agent of Israeel(The Jews)
There is an quran verse that Yahood(Jews)and nasaaraa(cristisans) can never be ur true friends Specially The Jewsssssss.....Musaharaf kill my Brothers sisters Fathers Mothers of Red Mosque and Jamai Hafsaa,IF any one think that people of Jamai Hafsaa were wrong then u should meet students of RedMosque and Jamai Hafsaa who surendered, and listen what they say even after Musharaf's terror attack on Red Mosque, They still have a respect for thier teachers, students and all the Madrusaas of Sunni's of Pakistan.Look at their eyes , u will definetly see innocence and tears in thier eyes. If world think that People in RedMosque were terrorists,Then i as a muslim Proud on Brothers and sisters of Jamai Hafsaa and Red Mosque, Go at thier Grave yard and listen what type voice are comming from thier grave yard, U will definetly listen beutiful voices of Azaan(call for prayers) and voices of reading Holy quran,U will definetly smell beautiful fragrances from thier grave yaards, If u still think that they are fighting for a wrong cause,they goo in bazaar get thier CD's, then u will surely get the idea for what true cause they were doing jehaad, We muslim are not against all cristians and jews, but minor people are killing innocent muslim,our ulmaaa'ssss.............
If west think that we are still Fundamentalistssss and terrorists,,,Then we are proud to be Fundamentalist and terroristsss.GOD Help will surely will come to us,Req mosque operation was a complete drama from musharaf to prove we are fighting for u,for getting aid from americaaa,,,, He is the killer , if he come in front of me, i will kill musharaf,as he kill my 1200-1400 brothers and sister of Jamai Hafsaa and Red Mosque,He given lots of Muslim preachers too America after 9/11, he helped America in war against terror, killed our innocent muslims in afganistan.....
I Salutee Students of Jamai Hifza and Red Mosque......
Burhan, Serbia
Musharaf is a good person
I don't understand why you hate Musharaf .Didn't he brought wealth to Pakistan .America gave him miljoens of dollars to spend on his people and he did.He freed you women from slavery .He ended the bloody conflict between shia and sunnis .He made Pakistan respected between nations .He is a friend of Israel and the civilized world .What did he do wrong .Why do you hate him .
Levy, Israel
STICKS AND STONES---
It is tempting to respond to Nikuuss in the same tone. But it will only dignify the torrential abuse and diatribe ridden explosive remarks that obviously hides a deeply frustrated and on the edge mind. Invective filled responses hurt the source more than the intended target.
It is the lowest of the low people of one religion that have are legions ahead of the pure minded souls that Nikuuss claims to represent in every field. May I recommend psychological assistance and lessons in English grammar?
Still there is hope for people like Nikuuss. After all impossible have been achieved. In a previous posting Nikuuss claimed that Pakistan has less problems than India (Pakistanis cannot help but compare themselves to India and believe that Pakistan is a better country – Never mind even other Islamic countries don’t think so.) and surely in the same tone Nikuus can bounce back to normalcy. Your language and tirades hardly bring credit to the nobility you ascribe to every member of your faith.
It is not too late Nikuss – even the most hardened change.
A. V. RAO, United States of America
Nikuuss
The Muslim lands are full of resources and expertise and people who would work for the aims of Islam. The current rulers for as long as they remain will ensure there nations never industrialise to reach their true potential and have resigned themselves as remaining as agents for the worlds powers. Germany challenged the British Empire in the early 20th century by industrialising which eventually led to WW1. It again was on the verge of shifting the global balance of power in its favour after industrialising again within a space of 6 years and it took the world powers to come together to halt its progress. The Soviet Union within a space of 20 years rapidly industrialised and for nearly 50 years competed with the US for the role of global superpower. These examples show if the will is present any nation can industrialise and defend itself, whilst without industrialisation it would always fall under the influence of foreign powers. However, a key difference must be noted. Many of the examples of nations that industrialised did so with the aim to conquer or colonise other lands or attain the status of world power.
The Islamic Ummah’s drive for industrialisation and technological advancement must be built upon the Islamic Aqeedah as the driving force and motivation. Guided at all times by the belief in Allah (swt) and his noble Messenger (SAW).
O you who believe! Answer (the call of) Allah and His Messenger when he calls you to that which gives you life; and know that Allah intervenes between man and his heart, and that to Him you shall be gathered.The fundamental reason the Muslim world today remains de-industrialised is due to the lack of a political vision. The Muslim rulers have resigned themselves to becoming markets for western multinationals. The concepts of free trade and free markets have always been a ploy by the developed world to stall industrialisation in other countries and turning them into a factory for western consumption. When the political will has been present development has occurred in the Muslim world; Egypt developed a nuclear program in the 1950’s however it gave up its programme after the 1967 defeat to Israel. Pakistan pursued and developed a successful nuclear programme.
For a newly emergent Khilafah a key policy would be to unite its people upon its political vision. Once this is achieved people will inevitably work to achieve the aims of the plan, this will then be presented to the remaining Muslim lands and once they can perceive its direction they will move to enact it. One of the biggest problems in the Muslim lands is the lack of any policies, which will raise the standard of their nation. The Khilafah will need to find its most skilled people and get them to enact this vision, which will give confidence to the masses.
saladeen rumi, Pakistan
Lal Masjid Lal Bagh Lal Blood
Technology transfer, wealth transfer, Hot air transfer, Energy transfer when it takes place some one receive it some one gives it. There is no Such a thing as Blame the wealthiest or joint investors or joint receipient partners of crime now dead .Iqra is Lal.Significance is there. If Osama is considered as mujaheddin or alqaeda the current clean air builder with modern building above Iqra ground is visible.They have partners of beneficieries.The joint killers are also joint recipient.Frankly world has not been designed in current set up but High rise towers and few luxury for few simply cannot get away- be it Blair bush tom dick or Harry mullah or celebrities.Quran is right some come some go some put on hold some vanish some redesigned. Hinduism reincarnation or trinity or other phenomenon comes with it. Where to start? Catch the recent rich recent their leader running around as recent big shot in dismantling killing looting spree causing havoc while waiting to die for being human like gazi lake fanatic or like respected staesman or
Authorized nobel prize holder (or certified good persons).
ZB, India
Responsibility
Short answers
1) Maulana Ghazi is responsible for the carnage by hiding behind his impressionable and some under age students
2) It could not have been resolved by talks, the Ghazi was living in another world.
3) The breakdown in talks was inevitable given the illogical mindset of the mullah, however, a professional bona fide negotiator may have minimised the loss of innocent lives.
Ghazi is a hero only to minds not used to rational thought and to recognising the truth even if it his them between the eyes.
Musharraf should go, his presence is destabilising the country. He and his government are unpopular.
An elected government should take power. The Islamic system of government IS secular, not Taliban. We true followers of the Prophet (PBUH) do not beleive in a theocracy or any kind of mullah hood. We follow the way of our prophet, we have no formal clergy so we cannot have a form of government which is not secular.
Imran Ahmed, Pakistan
RESPONSIBILITY?
Who is responsible for the Red Mosque carnage?-
PAKISTANI MINDSET.
DIFFICULT AND PAINFUL FOR ANY PAKISTANI TO ADMIT.
THE PAKISTANI MINDSET IS DRIVING THE NATION TO AN ABYSS.
BLAMING OTHERS WILL NOT HELP.
A. V. RAO, United States of America
Islamic Republic Of Pakistan
Muhammed Ali Jinnah's Pakistan was called just Pakistan and Ayub Khan thought that it would make the mullahs happy by calling it Islamic Republic Of Pakistan just like General Zia passed the hadood ordinance in order to make the mullahs happy.
If Jinnah and Iqbal knew this is what would become of our people they would have never dreamt and fought for independence.Pakistan was not created for certain kinds of Muslims.Pakistan was not created for these so called Jihadis that kill their own people.
we should go back into history and read about the background of the people that helped create Pakistan.
Amir, Pakistan
Ijaz & Benazir
Massacre of Lal Masjid and descendents of dictators
During and after massacre of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa innocent students including children and women, two persons are very vigorous by issuing statement against departed or abducted students, which have many things in common; their statements are matching with each other. Ijaz ul Haq son of ex Martial Law Administrator and other is daughter of ex Civilian Martial Law Administrator.
General Zia promoted Al Qaeda and Benazir promoted Taliban. But now both are making numbers in front of Western countries to show how faithful are they. Bhutto and Zia both were Arain, both moved from East Punjab . Bhutto descended Al Zulfiqar, and Zia Al Qaeda. Except two facts that left for behind Zia, committing conspiracy which leads to Fall of Dacca and use of Alcohol were exclusive achievements of Bhutto.
After brutal murder of students of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa, both are on top of the list to issue statements, Benazir has no civilized manner in her general attitude, she is master of evil-speaking, as a result of which most senior PPP leaders left her, and she was kicked out two times on corruption charges. On other hand it was in public that sons of Zia did not spare women servants of their home, but peoples generally had soft image and treated as PPP propaganda.
Now elections are speculated in two or three months, Musharraf, Benazir and Ijaz ul Haq are in hot waters, troika believe that peoples are not hoodwink and it is difficult to win elections democratically, so dictator is using Army and America to remain on seat in unconstitutional way, Benazir and Ijaz ul Haq are cheering him under slavish tone to get some thing, could be a few bones which he will throw, when his belly will be full, sufficient to compensate services of Benazir and Ijaz ul Haq.
Against students of Jamia Hafsa and Lal Masjid, who have been murdered, thousand are missing, or in prison, have no sources to answer allegation of both, either dead or out of reach of media. Hateful campaign which both is running, looks like whether Benazir is daughter of Zia or Ijaz son of Bhutto, similarities in hateful statements are common and if some body may study statements, it looks their address is toward Bush not Pakistani peoples.
Benazir has billion of dollars to use, Zardari was the Satan of Islamabad, she has spent at least one lac US dollars for a single column, for three inch in total length statement in “Times” recently, if you may go to Larkana and Garhi Khuda Bakhsh area, peoples are living in 19th century, poverty is written on their faces, while Supreme Court convicted criminal, Bhutto is resting in Rs 30 Crore mausoleum built on Government expenses, Zia is also resting on Govt. built grave.
Massacre of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa is the greatest mass murder of this century, and aggressors who attacked on Masjid will reach to their destiny one by one. Some were cheering “well done Musharraf”, Army has done a great job, same peoples are uproar and weeping by keeping both hands on the head when “drinking blood ghost” struck poor workers of PPP at Islamabad yesterday to sabotage meeting of Chief Justice. But at condolence message of Benazir and Ijaz had similarity, statement and allegation against Lal Masjid. No sympathy with PPP workers, no hand in the pocket to pay them some money.
We will not let die great massacre till aggressors will not reach to gallows or Supreme Court will conduct independent enquiry with in this month. We hope Chief Justice and Pakistan Bar Council will play its role to chalk out cruel faces in public sitting behind iron curtains. Every body is laughing how coward out ruling class is, every body in government is asking for bullet proof cars and Shakuit Aziz is spenting Rs two crore on security. Satanic game is in progress after invasion on Lal Masjid, Benazir and Ijaz ul Haq no role to play in this game except distorted lick spitting statements in favor of dictator
Khadim Husain, Pakistan
Homicidal Over Reaction
There is little controversy over the view that the Lal Masjid brigade neded to be neutralised.
Once surrounded and their electricity and power was cut off they posed little threat to Islamabad citizens.
They could have been dealth with without a military style assault and consequent loss of childrens lives.
Poor leadership was exhibitd by our Government.
Imran Ahmed, Pakistan
Part III - Pervez Musharraf made Abdul Rasheed Ghazi martyr.
Operation Silence has escalated the hatred towards US, UK and Australia.
The latest suicide bomb attacked killed 11 soldiers and 3 civilians in Swat on Sunday. There were other attacks which killed 38 people. Pervez Musharraf is in real trouble. He did not take any action for over six months to clear Lal Masjid when his government decided to take action it benefited Abdul Rasheed Ghazi and radical religious parties. Pervez Musharraf had all the resources but no intelligence with handling this operation so poorly. I would have done it in very different manner avoiding to kill anybody including Abdul Rasheed Ghazi with similar gas which Russians used to end theater hostage situation. Pervez Musharraf , as a matter of fact all head of states are surrounded by very bright intelligent educated people and it really surprises me that they don’t understand a very simple fact that anybody who die fighting for their cause no matter how absurd that cause would be will instantly become “martyr” giving boast to their cause and popularity among the masses with lots and lots of sympathy of the people. This is what happening now in Pakistan. It will be early to writeoff Pervez Musharraf government completely because outrage is not spread country wide.
The world would be better place if we had rulers with some brains.
QB, Pakistan
Well done Musharraff!
Once again i have to applaud the handling of this most difficult situation by the Pak president. it was made clear to the fanatics to lay down their arms and surrender but instead they chose to be killed because of their fanatical fantasies. These people in the mosque are not muslims in my eyes, to me they are deranged, brainwashed village idiots, bent on death death and destruction, im sorry to say but good riddance to these people that call themselves 'muslims'.
Well done Mr Musharraff on the handling of another difficult situation!
zahid, United Kingdom
Lal Masjid
Part 1 - Lal Masjid Cricis.
There are lots of interesting news recently like Bush commuted Libby prison sentence, Iraq where according to US Military commanders situation is improving which is not reflected in any news coming out of Iraq. The news which catch my attention when it was reported by BBC which is related to Lal Masjid. This Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) drama is continuing from last six months where religious male and female students are in lock-down situation demanding to implement Taliban type Sharia Laws in Pakistan. These students are violent criminals who had burned down plenty of businesses and even kidnapped the police officers.
This week these students tried to attack the law enforcement agencies which turned violent with exchange of fire from both sides killing 16 people including the police officers. Pervez Musharraf government showed leniency and offered these criminals to surrender and they will no press any charges against them and the government kept their promise by letting the people go home after they surrendered. The government also given them US 83/= each so they can go home without any hardship.
There are still hundreds of male and female students inside the mosque situation is still tense and this is all because Pervez Musharraf government weakness. Pervvez Musharraf government should have handled this siege with iron fist since the beginning of the situation. The interesting part of the story is that these Mullah brothers Abdul Aziz and Abdul Rashid Ghazi are hypocrites. Mullah Abdul Rashid Ghazi was arrested by a female police officer when he tried to escape during the violent confrontation in Burqa. These Mullahs used the religion to exploited the stupid sentiments of common Muslims who had no knowledge of Qur’an message for their own agendas.
The solution is simple arrest all these male and female violent criminal students using the force and put them in jails for creating unrest and destroying private and public properties.
Part II - Lal Masjid mishandled Operation Reaction.
Pervez Musharraf vowed to eradicate extremism from every part of country. The immediate strong reaction coming out from North Western Frontier Province. There are more than dozens suicide attacks reported so far killing 35 people including 17 soldiers and police. There were very small demonstration in few other cities without any violence. This does not mean that there will not be any bigger demonstration in Pakistan. All the religious parties have given call for demonstration on Friday which ofcourse will be after prayers where all the Imams will be giving fiery sermons for the people to join the demonstrations. Tomorrow will be the day to keep an eye on Pakistan news and see how much momentum they get from these demonstrations.
The majority of the students in Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa were from NWFP so the dead students caused anger in that province. Also Ayman Al Zahawari was quick to release his audio tape calling to start jihad against Pervez Musharraf government.
There were few rallies and demonstrations reported from Frontier Province. The religious parties right now looks like failed to gain large political and religious all around the country. These religious parties will keep Abdul Rasheed Ghazi issue alive trying to cash on his martyrdom thats what all religious leaders are calling him. Pervez Musharraf should have given the strict orders to arrest Abdul Rasheed Ghazi alive which was in the best interest of his government but it looks like power take common sense away. Dead Abdul Rasheed Ghazi death made him martyr and there is a possibility that this can turn into effective movement against Pervez Musharraf government.
The Abdul Rasheed Ghazi and his students deaths will further escalate anti Pervez Musharraf sentiment and it will be very difficult for him to cling to power. The Abdul Rasheed Ghazi death will become “martyrdom” for religious parties and their supporters. The chances are that Abdul Rasheed Ghazi mission will now become the national movement and when it happened than Pervez Mussarraf had no other alternative other than stepping down from power and that will be another tragedy for Pakistan.
Pervez Musharraf in deep trouble and he only has to blame himself for blindly following all Bush regime commands.
QB, Pakistan
Holocaust
Mass Murder or Holocaust
It is proved after barbaric attack on students of Jamia Hafsa and Lal Masjid was not due to terrorism, foreign elements or ammunition at Masjid. But it was pre-planned and approved in Feb 2007. Only weakest point which victims have that majority of them belong to lower class “Untouchable” or “Schedule Caste” of the society, dozens were orphans, about 99% were not descendents of establishment. If this massacre could have happened in International, City or Beacon house school, reaction could be quiet different. It is not understandable that while dead were without coffin, in cold storage or still missing, some peoples started a hateful campaign on religious and political grounds. Is it justified in the light of teachings of any religion? It is always time to calm, let victim families bury their love ones, every religion says pray for dead, ask God to forgive them. But it was reprehensible for those who started a hateful campaign. There were 6000 students, if we may count according to our family system multiply with minimum twenty person per family, more over there were 20, 000 to 30, 000 Namazis who had been offering prayers behind both Imams, in addition to that there are hundred thousand who had been their Muqtadi since twenty years. Think why some groups are spreading hate in the society without looking in to seriousness of the matter. It reflects culture of a nation how cruelty they have. Peoples who are running to make numbers in front of dictator reflect how oppressed brains of the society are? As nation has no compassion, who is living on foreign aid and doing what crusaders ask for. This image our enlightened moderates are spreading for their highly paid jobs in Western countries.
Question is this operation was legal? Answer is no, it has no legal, moral and religious values, against all international treaties. Main point is when this case was noticed by Supreme Courts of Pakistan, why aggressors raided without taking Supreme Court in confidence. Sacrifice of Chief Justice and all movement of Bar Council are based on securing rule of law; this is the only way which can boast our soft image. By repeating political slogans of crusaders against Muslims, implementing them on different groups of the society by some peoples which have vested interests will never boast our soft image. History will prove that massacres, democide, mass murder, holocaust are always remembered as barbaric act. Dujail, Falluja and Pul Charkhi prison massacre will always be remembered. Blood is very strong; it speaks whether you are dead or alive. Western culture is based on compassion, human rights and charity. No western country commits those acts on their soil which they conduct in Muslim countries, on other hand they provide protection and honor to their citizens including Muslims.
Targeting a particular group of society called hate crime; civilized nations never allow any one to spread hate. It is an open example in front of any body that political or religious groups who asked for political asylum in Western countries, live there like wet cat, for the sake of their existence those send statements to Pakistani media. What happened to MQM minister, he was declared terrorist, the same Col. Mashahadi reached at the home of killed SSG commander to award him medal of bravery against killing of women and children. Peoples Party has thousand of weak points, if those are repeated Jialas will commit suicide, what shameful attitude Benazir had adopted after massacre.
Recognize all those who are spreading hate in the society to divide them for vested interests. If morale drive of Jamia Hafsa was against the law, so law defines punishment, but no law permits death sentence or massacre, neither aggressors have the constitutional right to invade with armored vehicles on civilians.
This is great massacre of this century and all killed are Shaheed, aggressors who violated all international laws, Geneva convention, charter of human rights, tear off women protection in Pakistan , child abuse and killing, invaded place of worship, and educational institution on the basis of religious and political hatred is a crime against humanity. Matter of moderation and Mullahism is a healthy discussion, it does not mean to brutally kill any citizen, these type of discussions remained in society, Ghazali, Abdul Qadir Jailani, Ibn e Timmia, Abdul Wahab, Shah Waliullah, Sir Syed, Parvez, Maududi, Amin Islahi, Dr. Israr and so many names who fight against superstition and illiteracy. Prof Mubarik and Mehdi Hasan have another angle to strengthen society except feudal Makhdooms who are eunuch of the society.
It is time to condemn aggressors and ask for their trial in International Courts of Justice, if Supreme courts of Pakistan has no power under LFO.
Khadim Husain, Pakistan
Correctly understanding Lal Masjid: Detailed Analysis
The bloodbath unleashed by Musharraf's forces at the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) in Islamabad has shown just how far he is prepared to go to achieve his aims. Amidst claim and counter claim from the regime in the aftermath of 'Operation Silence', it is beginning to emerge that hundreds, including women and children, may have been killed in the bloody assault. It is rumoured that Musharraf himself rejected a possible deal at the last moment that could have led to a peaceful outcome and instead ordered the assault. What is known is that Abdul Rashid Ghazi, one of the two brothers who led the Red Mosque, were killed.
It is well known that the Red Mosque had extensive links with elements of the establishment. ISI officials have in the past been closely connected with the seminary, links that were forged during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. The question that arises is how has it been possible for the Mosque students to go virtually unchallenged in the last 6 months on the streets of Islamabad? In their self styled campaign they targeted alleged prostitutes and music shops. Yet the obvious question is how has this been possible right under the noses of Musharraf's regime, an area where the National Assembly, Supreme Court and Musharraf's Presidential Palace itself is closely situated nearby? How were these students in the Red Mosque allowed to build up such an alleged large arsenal of weapons without been detected?
Musharraf has tried to justify the operation by saying that he wanted a peaceful outcome and avoid large-scale casualties, particularly with such a large number of women and children being involved. However his real intention was made evident when on 29 th June he said to journalists "Can you guarantee that blood of any dead or injured will not be screened on television channels during the operation?" If the regime really wanted a peaceful outcome all it had to do was wait after cutting off all gas, electricity and food supplies to the compound. The recent past shows that Musharraf has always used military force in such situations where he has been confronted by opponents, whether Islamic or Nationalistic. The lessons of Nawab Akbar Bugti, the Balochi rebels and the operations in the tribal areas of Waziristan show this to be true. Indeed in the past Musharraf has unashamedly said, "If someone happens to be very close to [the target], that somebody is an abetter and they suffer the loss. Sometimes, indeed, women and children have been killed but they have been right next to the place. It's not that the strike was inaccurate but they happen to be there, so therefore they are all supporters and abetters of terrorism - and therefore they have to suffer. It's bad luck."
The regime repeatedly alleged that there were 'hundreds' of fighters including suicide bombers inside as well being heavily armed with all sorts of light weaponry. Independent observes though estimated that at least over a thousand students were still inside the Red Mosque compound at the time of the assault, mostly women and children. Musharraf further alleged that highly wanted foreign terrorists were amongst the students. But by the regime's own admission only about 80 alleged fighters have been killed. It remains unclear how many women and children were rescued, if at all. No bodies have been produced thus far to substantiate the claim that foreign fighters were indeed amongst the dead. Moreover only 11 Pakistani commandos died in the operation. How could this be possible if the militants were so heavily armed and prepared for suicide bombings? Ghazi claimed in his final phone interview they only had 14 AK-47s to defend themselves. If Musharraf's claims were true there should have been many more deaths amongst his troops.
The other possible part of the explanation of why casualties were so low amongst the security forces is that they indiscriminately attacked everyone inside the Red Mosque to minimise their own losses. With the world's media gazing on, an air strike would have been political suicide. They had to be seen to be trying to save lives. Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz claimed that not a single woman or child died but as details emerge reports suggest otherwise. Indeed there are reports of mass graves being dug to quickly bury the dead with hundreds of students including women and children being killed with many more unaccounted for. With the media being denied access to the Mosque in the aftermath no one can believe the carefully choreographed footage shown on state television by a regime which has every motive to hide the number killed. The only question that remains is why Musharraf chose to wait so long whilst a surreal situation developed on the streets of Islamabad.
Tauseef Zahid, Pakistan
In the shadows of Pak military
The world powers appear to be contesting the future of mankind over the coming decades on the geo strategy of Pakistan . And the strength, unity, discipline and the capacitated handling of perhaps the most difficult governance on this planet earth is made possible only by the armed forces of the country, which is on the confluence and convergence of the routes in and out to the future power structure of the world.
Don’t blame some managed problems on Musharraf or the very capable military of the nation. Actually this is the grand force that is keeping Pakistan cemented and united. You have the world’s fiercest tribes and the most difficult terrain inhabited by those tribals. You are seeing the rise of future super power like China around and you have emerging super power Russia close by. Then we have the world’s sole super power America knocking on our doorstep for friendship and for help. Yet, the main conducive peace around us has been very effectively promulgated by the army of Pakistan . With the tigers, dragons, bears and others around, Pak army has proven itself the master of the control on events and situations.
There have been some power groups, who should and must have retired after the fall of Soviet Empire and after their services were required to be terminated. And the Pak army has had to tackle with those situations with patience and success to maintain the integrity of the nation. The latest carnage in Islamabad even used some pretty and pious Pashtoons and Kashmiri girls in a way resembling the outdated past, which has been described by the world’s most renowned historian Edward Gibbon in his famed “Decline and fall of the Roman Empire” as such:
“The various tribes of Britain possessed valour without conduct and the love of freedom without the spirit of union. They took up arms with savage fierceness. They laid them down or turned them against each other with wild inconstancy. And while they fought singly, they were successively subdued”.
So, Pak army has to tackle with some situations of that nature on either isolated or periodically with on off basis and still maintain discipline, unity and strength. And the army has propensity to absorb such internal bleedings once in a while and yet stay as strong as it always is. Any one trying to weaken the national defense is doing gross disservice to the nation. The innocents ones embroiled in, like those pretty Pashtoon and Kashmiri flower girls in Lal Masjid carnage by those taking on the nation’s army, will perhaps, and rather should be compensated with some pacification money to the relatives of the innocents caught in crossfire as by standers. No one need to sympathize with the ones who took on the nation’s life line, which are the defense forces, regardless of the piety of those few involved in this challenge to the nation’s army. The matter is all over now. But to show high moral grounds, president Musharraf is requested to announce some pacification compensation for those pretty innocent girls who died as by standers in cross fire. The moral elevation taken by Mr president will show our Pashtoon brothers about how much the nation cares for them and our pretty sisters who got caught in cross fire as by standers or as stranded unfortunate ones.
The united, disciplined and powerful Pak military is the guardian of peace at home and on borders. It cares most for peace and peace only. Even Dick Chenny had to go empty handed with refusal of invasion route against Iran . Pak military is in charge and in command of all what must happen from within Pakistan for sustaining peace for our country and the world at large.
Even with the most dangerous and yet most important geo strategy on this planet earth, Pak military has not let the country go the ways of Iraq or Afghanistan . One storm after the other brewed over our mother land like CJ’s case, like political disturbances, like Lal Masjid and others of the sort. But, all has been kept under the lid and under effective control by the capable army of Pakistan . All those storms did not even get chance to get out of initiation loops, let alone progress to any troublesome propagation that would have been detrimental to national integrity.
Pakistan has wars and quasi wars situations on borders or close by our borders. The inner disturbances have been dissipated by our nation’s life line, which is Pak military. And every nation wants its army to be strong, disciplined, powerful, invincible and devoid of any internal challenges.
Anwar Mahmood, Canada
First ever victory of Pakistan Army
The first ever victory of the Pakistan Army on July 12, 2007, will be remembered as a landmark in the history of the country’s armed forces. Since the creation of Pakistan 60 years ago on more than ten occasions, when the Pakistani army has taken action against its own citizens it has had to either surrender or abandon the action.
The military action against a mosque (Lal Masjid) in Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan, was completed after 9 days of continuous attacks against the mosque and the adjacent seminary, Jamia Hafsa, where more than 1200 students were trapped. This is according to the statement of the military spokesman (there is no question of using the term ‘spokesperson’ as it is gender bias). The Pakistan Army can be pleased that they managed to take the Lal Masjid Mosque, despite the fact that their action costs the live of more than 100 persons, including eleven military personnel. What they are not quite so eager to crow about is that the majority of the inhabitants were teenagers and young; not more than 20 to 21 years or age.
According to the evidence collected by reliable witnesses only a few of the 200 people present in the mosque and seminary resisted the attack with live ammunition. These people, who were older and supposedly more mature than the younger ones used them for their so-called, sacred motives.
It was a victory of the army over the people that they (the army) allowed to operate in whatever way suited them. For up to six months prior to the military action the managements of the seminaries and mosques were free to adopt any and all methods to implement Islamic codes of ethics (Shariah) through their students, by force where necessary. They were even allowed to kidnap police officials and Chinese workers, and government was then forced to negotiate for the release of the victims. The Lal Masjid Mosque was just one kilometer away from the headquarters of the country’s strongest intelligence agency, the ISI; it is within walking distance from the residence of the Prime Minister and federal secretariats. The question then arises as to how they were allowed to stock pile arms and ammunitions inside the mosque.
In political circles it is being said that this was no more than a drama, staged by the army to make fundamentalism, once again, an issue in mainstream politics in order to gain some popularity from outside the country. And in doing so the government certainly succeeded in getting a pat on the back from George Bush and others.
A very strong argument is presented by the legal community that it was a demonstration by the army against the lawyers’ movement. An indication perhaps that the Army is waiting for the time to be right before it take decisive action. General Musharraf once said in 2006 to the political leaders of Balochistan, a southern province where the army has been carrying out operations since 2001, that “one cannot imagine how and from where we (the army) will hit, so be aware of it”. A few days later the army bombarded a hide out where the popular leader, Sardar Akber Bugti, was residing and killed him along with his friends. The lawyers believe that action can be expected in the near future as within a week or so, the Supreme Court is going to deliver it decision in case of the presidential reference against the Chief Justice.
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The armed forces of Pakistan are five times larger than any other country of its size. It is common knowledge that 29 percent of the country’s annual budget is spent on defense expenditures, whereas pensions and other perks of the officers are paid from civilian expenditures in the annual budget. However, despite its huge numbers and expenditure, the army has a bad record of losing; in particular in the confrontation with India. Historically, the armed forces do not have the capacity of surviving more than 17 days during a conflict.
On the domestic front the armed forces have carried out 11 military operations, using their full might in different provinces and have never achieved the success that they did at the Lal Masjid Mosque. Amongst these 11 operations one was a “friendly military operation” in Karachi in 1994, in which several young people were killed. But even then it could not be called a success because the results for which operation was started were not achieved. In many of these operations the aim of the exercise was the killing of certain people and nothing more than that.
Baseer Naveed, Hong Kong
Letter to President Musharaf
7/16/2007
Dear President Musharaf,
I congratulate you on killing hundreds of people including Army Colonels, Jawan and innocent children. You have proven beyond doubt that you are a crony and a toady of godless and hedonistic forces in this world. I congratulate you for making Pakistan a bastion of secular hedonism and godless materialism. I read your book in which you praised Turkey and how it affected your childhood and worldview. I admire your quest for modernization and agree with a lot of things that you have to say. But I disagree with the way you conducted this matter. I don’t buy this argument that there was no other way. Like the old adage goes when there is a will there is always a way. I think this kind of harsh treatment by the government is going to fan extremism and push a lot more people to become suicide bombers and killers.
In US “Red Mosque” issue gave Pakistan a very bad rap in the media. I know that Mr. Bush congratulated you on your success but that came at a very heavy price. I wonder why Mr. Bush lets you stay in Power when you are not democratically elected but goes after Saddam Hussein who was not democratically either. Even worse Mr. Bush doesn’t acknowledge Hamas which was democratically elected but recognizes your government which has been in Power without any rhyme or reason. I think we all know why?
Sincerely
An ordinary Citizen of Pakistan
Ahmad, Pakistan
situation out of control
9 july se qabl lal masjid intizamia ghalati per thi aur 10 july ko govt. ne molana hazrat se bari ghalati ki.ulema ki baat-cheet kamyab ho sakti thi magar govt. maghrib k samne apna secular image behtar bnana chahti thi khaas tor pe america ki nazar mein.aur mazeed fund wasoool kerna chahti thi america se.ap ne dekha k usi din pakistan ko f-16 ki pehli khep mil gai.mma ki qiadat ko shak tha govt. lal masjid ki soorat mein nai mazhabi siasi jamaat bna ker mazhabi halqe ka vote bank taqseem kerna chahti hay,isi kiey ulema wafd ne sustee ka muzahra kia.ab soorat-e-hal "out of control" ho jae gi.pe der pe khud kush dhamake hon gay.nuqsan govt. ka kum ho ga aur awam ka ziada...
muhammad ali ahmed aamir, Pakistan
Ghazi a Mujahid?
Even though I am a practising Muslim I for one find the tortuous logic of the Lal Masjid brigade impossible to follow. Their use of force and of children as human shields, their lack of a consistent principalled attitude (A.Aziz escaping in burqa, Ghazi adding in demands after completing a negotiated agreement)is not consonant with the spirit of any religion let alone that of our compassionate Prophet (PBUH).
I cannot condone the muddled handling of this law and order situation by the Govt, where was the single voice of command and decision making in a crisis affecting the lives of innocents?
Lal Masjid was a sad episode in Pakistan's history, there are no heroes, no shaheeds, no ghazi's.
We must however struggle for our right to rule ourselves. To free ourselves from both the mullahs and the military.
Imran Ahmed, United Kingdom
Clerical vs Secular Extreism
Why the state of our State does not look stable vis-à-vis vice of ‘vicious-mullahs’ (‘ullama-e-soo’ viz vicious-savants), despite the fact that standpoint of the mullahs, by and large is not sound in terms of Islam? The reasons are many but to cut short.
Firstly: every government has been diverging the people from the day one into four castes or columns; supreme-being (brahman), middle-being, (viz kshatriyas) lower-being (viz vaisyas) and the lowest-being (viz sudras). And hence there have been four education system; i) Aitchison Group of Schools (ii) Cadet Group of Schools (iii) Government Schools and (iv) Madrasas.
Our supreme-being (viz Brahmans): are entitled for all sorts of privileges & perks, including education institutions and health facilities of high grandeur - and are immune from all sorts of restrictions.
Our middle-being, (viz Kshatriyas): are rendering security services and gets according to theirs ranks & risks.
Our lower-being (viz Vaisyas): are the small farmers and merchants earning their bread accordingly.
The lowest-being (viz Sudras): comprised of congenially deprived and who are entitled for nothing and liable for all perils and they mostly do not or read in madrasas.
Secondly: Actually the vicious-mullahs are doing every vice against the state & society in the name of Islam and so they gain public prop up in their favour. Contrarily every strategy this government is applying against the vice of vicious-mullahs, in the name of ‘war on terror’ or secularism which attains the civic wrath & rage, for the public equate them with ‘war on terror’ that has been declared by US in Iraq or Afghanistan. Whereas in fact in Islam the most horrible punishment that Allah Almighty has provided in the Holy Qur’an is the punishment for commission of ‘fasad fee al ard’. Allah Almighty says: “The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom” (5.33). But nonetheless our state is coping with the clerical-extremism of ‘vicious-mullahs’ (‘ullama-e-soo’ viz vicious-savants) with secular-extremism; half naked fashion shows, cat walks, women marathon and vulgarity. And no heed has ever been paid to research works of the real scholars, e.g. Maulana Ghamdi, Maulana Javid Ahmad, and late Maulana Ameen Ahsan Islahi and many others.
Thirdly: Acting in time saves nine and reacting in wrong time slays more than nine. But our state never acts in time rather always react in wrong time.
Fourthly: Our political lot whether secular or clerical both have sworn to abuse any situation even at the cost of the country security. They have been inviting overtly, at full volume and very barefacedly their US & EU masters to intervene to their advantage.
Fifthly: President Gen Musharraf alone is supposed to cope with every situation and all his team either don’t or give wrong reasons about any situation.
Sixthly: On one hand almost all of the present government ministers are either dumb or dope. While on the other hand opposition is very vocal and they speak as if most annoyed or madden dragons breathe.
Seventhly: Previous governments had been enjoying the robust instrument in the shape of civil servants of the DMG. The present governments neither having political roots nor administrative apparatus - and hence statelessness is reigning the state. President Musharraf must restore the DMG for the purpose of administration without any delay.
Aftab Alam Advocate, (High Court) Swat, Pakistan
Mr. Ghazi could save...
Mr. Ghazi could save his life and the life of so many more if he would have any respect for the constitution of a country he was born to.
Islam is not about fighting it is about submition, peace, dialouge and compromise. He must be taken responsible for the losses of lives and I think the Pakitani government was left with no choice but to bring the to conclusion the foriegn plot, under Islamic fundamentalism which helps nobody but the Zionist movement.
In order to help Muslims and Muslim causes, one needs to work for Democracy, education of man and women, advace technology, employment and terminating poverty. I think Muslim movements are working for the wishes of Zionism. The Zionists want Muslims to kill one another under the name of Shiite, Sunnis, Wahabis, Ismailis, Arabs and non Arabs. If this trend continues not only Muslims will be wipe out of the earth, together with them will be wipe out the Muslims world, by the end of this century. It is for good Muslims not to fall in the trap of Islamic fundamentalism instead help educate others to compromise for the advancement of the Muslim world.
Peace,
akbar Khan, Pakistan
Who to blame
Historically, reactionary policies are responsible for the lal masjid mishap! Issue couldn't have been resolved through talks since supporters behind Ghazi were unyielding, harden and have holly stand. Talks would have worked prior to the internalization of the extremism!
In 80's same extreme spirit was beneficial that was back then projected outwardly though now has started spreading internally! Administration or even society at large in not really ready and equipped to handle and manage this change!
Ulemas are wrongfully blaming Musharraf for or if any event based failure in lal masjid case! In early stages of operation all these Ulemas were standing on fringes watching it happen! Utterly muted! None of them seems like really wanted to see it resolved, peacefully! Rather appears though as if further the situation deteriorates closer these political leaders/Ulemas will get to the source of dislodging General Musharraf!
Some of the Ulemas and political leaders while this tragedy was unfolding were in London trying to figure how to divvy up the power! When and if it falls! Even some of these Ulemas while standing outside lal masjid visibly trying to help government negotiate the stand off were contacting and propping Ghazi on cell phone against government not to give up!
Lal masjid tragedy may speed up the process but religious extremism has been fanned already regardless, lal masjid bloodshed or restriction on journalists during or after lal masjid operation! Nevertheless, restriction on journalists may have helped Pakistan in controlling damage!
Rather than a villain! Ghazi is the causality of the foreign policy failure at exponential scale! Ghazi would have been a hero if have had successfully aligned his efforts with the government in meeting bigger goals!
kadar khan, Pakistan
Subversive Acts- Mousque,caneda,US of Amrika Timple,Cherch
who is reponsible for subversive Acts amid presence of foreign soldiers foreign militants and above all mis spelling knowingly?
i.e. Mousque,caneda,US of Amrika Timple,Cherch as a headline
be Zee, Canada
brave men
The Pak army officers fought like lions against innocent civilians .I ask myself why we don't see their bravery when it comes to liberating Kashmir for example .I think it comes because Musharaff knows that it is better to spill energy on searching a weak ennemy then to make a powerfull friend .Our victorios army ones again defeated innocent civilians .The indians are no match for our men willing to die for the prophet Musharaff
kamal, Pakistan
to all those who do not appreciate their origin
Salam and tears to all my fellow muslims in turmoil because of our dictators.First to you NADEEM SHAH you are a pure MUNNAFIQ and retain your wannabe American attitude to yourself obviously your sisters dont live according to sunnah nor do you implement Sharia'h in your home So Go To Hell and take YOUR off-spring with you and your ARMY is lead by a coward.It is not a terrorist act to learn and preserve your religion and culture i.e so does that mean my teaching my South African born PAKISTANI kids their culture I am moulding fanatics there is no sin in being proud of being MUSLIM or PAKISTANI.Did you Nadeem Shah call the Jew a TERRORIST when he teaches the TORAH to his kids /did you call the Catholic an extremist because he choses a school with a catholic ethos 4 his kids NO!And to the ill-informed Nadeem Shah Sharia'h has protected its folk from sin from crime from atrocities/if we choose to impose Sharia'h in our homes that is our rite by AllAH and in this Democratic Society we are living in and just because we are not living in Islamic States we don't have to lose our IMAN and Nadeem bear in mind when you read this I am not of pakistani origin-I'm a 4th generation malaysian-european and I grew up in the beautiful Cape Town and I lOVE doing the duty of Jamaat which is dhawah which is to spread the beauty of ISLAM come back brother we will make duaah for those of you who condone murder and again a beard is purely a Sunnah so if you choose not to appreciate looking like a man that is your perogative and it remains between you and ALLAH Islam has no extremist those are the choices of individuals so please to the leaders do not use religion to achieve your political aspirations.Do not sell the blood of your Nation Mr.Musharraf to fatten your family fortune it remains Blood money and do not attack the Maddrassa because in all your socalled intelligence you do not know the meaning of MADDRASSA it only means school in arabic be Secular or Religious.The President of Pakistan is a dictator and having visited that beautiful country it is peaceful and pure its a country with a lovable people and a wonderful culture and to all Pakistanis abroad support your people dont ever forget them and lets take our children back as leaders in order for them to contribute to upliftment and establishment of a new Pakistan with a great future and prospects for all and equality.Also if Mr Ghazi was not a hero neither was Mr.Musharraf Note to you Musharraf you are clearly a murderer,a sell-out and A TRAITOR.Get off the gravy train your tickets expired live with your nation Feel their agony lose your loved ones to murder and rape and extortion and come tell the media after this what its like to live in reality.Musharraf the world HATES you not only Pakistan HATES YOU and do you know normally all America wants from a country is there wealth REMINDER TO THE GENERAL AMERICANS ARE CAPITALIST!!!!Please stop negotiating with the lives of your NATION
To the mothers you are the builders of all nations you are the strength of families and tell your children they are the future and MAY ALLAH'S MERCY AND BLESSINGS BE SHOWERED UPON THIS HUMBLE NATION OF YOURS AND MAY OUR HEARTS STRENGTHEN WITH IMAAN AND SABR AND MAY ALLAH REMOVE THESE CALAMITIES AND GRANT US HIDAAYAT AND COMPASSION FOR OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND MAY OUR TEARS OF SORROW SOON BECOME THOSE OF HAPPINESS AND JOY.TO all the leaders of the world remain in your own affairs you have for many generations destroyed many NATIONS/LEAVE ASIA /LEAVE AFRICA/LEAVE ARABIA /LEAVE OUR WEALTH/LEAEVE OUR CHILDREN/LEAVE OUR MOTHERS/LEAVE OUR ELDERS AND LEAVE OUR CULTURE AND OUR CHOICE OF RELIGIOUS PRACTICES BE ISLAM,CHRISTIANTY,HINDUISM OR ANY RELIGION PLEASE LEAVE EVERYONE TO FOLLOW THEIR OWN PATHS AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT CAUSE INJUSTICE TO ANYONE.World peace cannot be attained if you go an attack nations violently you are bound to have a response come on BUSH put on a thinking cap its pure logic.LASTLY THE MEANING OF TERRORISM: MURDER , RAPE ,ROBBERY ,PHYSICAL ABUSE/SEXUAL ABUSE/EMOTIONAL&VERBAL ABUSE/INTIMIDATION/INEQUALITY/IMORALITY/PEADOPHILES/DRUGS THOSE ARE THE TERRORS IN SOCIETY NOT RELIGIONS NOT ANY RELIGION IN THE WORLD IS A CRIME.POWER TO THE LEADERS WE GAVE THEM WHEN WE VOTED AND IN A DEMOCRATIC CONSTITUTION WE ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE THEM OUT OF THEIR SEATS AGAIN REMEMBER THIS NEXT TIME YOU VOTE.
TO ALL WHO THINK PAKISTAN IS IN TURMOIL ITS A GREAT COUNTRY BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE WONDERFUL SCENERY GREAT FOOD AND LOVELY STAGE DRAMAS ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR COUNTRY AND I CANT WAIT TO BRING MY KIDS BACK TO EXPERIENCE THEIR HOMELAND AND IT COLOURFUL CULTURE.PLEASE END THE CHAOS MR.MUSHARAFF.DONT BETRAY YOUR PEOPLE AGAIN THE ENGLISH DID IN THE 1940'S DONT LET THE AMERICANS DO TO THIS GENERATION TOO.REMEMBER THE PLIGHT TO INDEPENCE.
Mrs.Nasir, South Africa
stop this bloodshed
pakistan is now facing one of the dirtiest crises of the present times . this is because pakistan is not himself clear whether what is the extent of the extremism which is to be followed by the people of the country .. they always remain in the confusion about the policy which mr. parvez musharraf has to apply with the other countries and with the nation himself .. he must be ready to face another revlution which will start in his own home...
abbas ali agha, India
Massacre of Lal Masjid and Jamis Hafsa
Massacre of Lal Masjid and Jamis Hafsa
It is strange that some peoples are talking about Pakistani and anti-Pakistani in the light of massacre of innocent students of children, including girls. Matter is whether victims were anti-Pakistan? Or does aggressors are pro-Pakistan? In case of victims it is proved that they were not only patriot Pakistani but also true Muslims. Ikram Sehgal a Defense analyst who termed “Zarar” commandos of Pakistan Army as brave and victorious, subsequently SSG commandos showed victory signs after massacre. According to constitution of Pakistan whether such type of massacre is justified? Did Pakistan penal code have any clause of massacre or genocide? When Supreme Courts took notice and deployed two judges of Supreme Court then whole operation is illegal. Pakistan. Aggression is illegal to kill citizens of state without any solid proof; any case represented in courts against any one ever and verdict is issued against them. No court absconder or verdict against any one in absence. Use of force against any particular group for the purpose of targeting killing, armed invasion on religious place of worship or an education institution, killing large number of children and women who were present in education centre, tress passing, disappearance of large number of students, disallowing any independent observer to watch the facts, stopping media on gun point, closing water and electricity, siege, blockage of medical necessities, debarring ambulances and non-political human rights groups, using those weapons which are used in wars, use of nerve gas, humiliating and disfiguring dead bodies, stoppage of medical aid for the treatment of injured, to make hostage to 2000-3000 students with armored tanks is a non-acceptable act in civilized world, a coward act which is usually a sign of fascist governments historically.
Students were only “alleged terrorist” without any proof their criminal terrorist activities, alleged through media trial. Which law permits authority to conduct such massacre, while civil administration was in place and did not provide any such proof before siege of the students and administration of Lal Masjid. Except some columns written by state sponsored strategic institutes and Jang-Group for the sake of financial benefits. We have been told by retired Army experts that majority of ammunition showed after massacre was brought from Pakistan Army camps, no place of recovery is shown to media. And siege drama of attack with Anti-aircraft was also part of the same game, as alleged guns were brought from “Ojhri Camp” from the old rubble.
Whole operation is illegal; aggressors have committed a crime against humanity, used force against own peoples. Now the peoples who are supporting massacre due to their religious and political believe are registered anti-Pakistan and existence of Pakistan. Quickly a few examples of their statements against Pakistan, MQM Kacha Qila operation, Bhutto Hanging, killing of his son, appointments of Al-Zulfiqar activist on Government posts in Benazir era, anti-Pakistan statements of Altaf Husain and Najam Sethi’s in India, visit of Khalid Hasan ex PPP advisor to Israel, killing of civilians at East Pakistan, Killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti, missing peoples, humiliation with Chief Justice and recent massacre of Karachi etc.
Massacre is a crime more dangerous then anti-Pakistan activities, group which is dividing society by imposing self fabricated allegation for the sake of political power at home to receive funds from West. More over peoples who ordered massacre are convicted criminals, recently Supreme Court issued verdict against them with a fine of one lac rupees, their attorney refused to defend them. This is called true criminal.
All the victims murdered are true Shaheed according to Islamic, legal, morale, international and national values. It is a state sponsored terrorism, and who conducted are true terrorist historically, socially, morally and with religious point of view. Groups and individuals who are supporting this barbaric massacre are anarchists and anti-Pakistan, by cheering aggressors for their illegal act will open door for other massacre, any body who will be found a hurdle in their political agenda whether liberal, atheist or Islamist will face consequences. We strongly condemn barbaric extra-Judicial killings which are immoral, irreligious, unconstitutional, against humanity and human values.
Khadim Hussain
Khadim Hussain, Pakistan
Revolution
Now this is the starting point of revolution in Pakistan.
Expatriate, Finland
people praising suicide bombings
people who are outside of Pakistan that praise suicide bombings in Pakistan should be ashamed of themselves.how can you enjoy and indulge in security of Kafirs.
you people lack even the lowest level of Imaan which is feeling bad...you can't even feel bad...what if your mother or sister or brother was where the suicide bombing took place would you be happy?
how can you expect to go to heaven for killing an innoncent Muslim;there is only one destination and its hell
Abdul, Pakistan
Innoncent people shaheed
only Ghazi is to blame for women and children being killed all int he name of Islam.
if Ghazi and his posse wanted martyerdom they should have come out instead of hiding themselves among women and children.Ghazi is the person who gave fatwa that we should not perform funeral prayers for Pakistani soldiers being killed in the line of duty in Afghanistan that is like calling a Muslim Kafir.
995. Abu Musa Al-Ash`ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "The believer who recites the Qur'an is like a citron whose fragrance is sweet and whose taste is delicious. A believer who does not recite the Qur'an is like a date-fruit which has no fragrance but has a sweet taste. The hypocrite who recites the Qur'an is like a colocynth whose fragrance is so sweet, but its taste is bitter. The hypocrite who does not recite the Qur'an is like basil which has no fragrance and its taste is bitter.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].
Amir, Canada
wake up call
Those who say that pak army action was not against terrorists are anti Pakistan elements.Learn some lessons from India how they behave and look at us.Why we do not spend our energies on the development of charchters and our country(dear Pakistan).After all, Pakistani society is a violent society.I feel shame as a Pakistani.Fight,blame each other, kill,and put bombs those are the qualities of our society. Pakistan will be a failed state if mullahs come into power. I assure you my country men.Learn some lessons from your past;
Arshad, Pakistan
saladeen rumi, United States of America
Lot of outburst againt Vinod.
You practice Islam with AK47 or whatever you wish. When it creates trouble for others, the effected people will definitely have some say in the matter.
Pak Govt. has really committed a blunder. The establishment and its working methods ( Hate , Arms training, creating vast pool of ineffective people with crazy affinity towards war & violence) in the Mosque was prevalent for long period of time. If Govt. thinks that they can get rid of it within couple of days, then it is absolutely wrong. I wonder, one threating call from Beijing and Pak Govt. started working in such a haste!!!!
Nikus, India
Causes suppressed !
Lal Masjid demanded implementation of islamic laws, and brought to lime light some specimens of unislamic culture flourishing in the heart of capital of Islamic Repubic of Pakistan - right under the nose of active state administration. No action, no statement, no promise, no indication of any will, came up from any of the elites ruling the muslim umma and muslim country. We need pondering with our head sunk into bossom which way the nation is being drafted to?.
zahid, Pakistan
Ulemas or hardened terrorists in the name of Islam
There is a hadees of the holy Prophet that the time will come in my ummat that the Ulema will be the worst Makhluq(people) and this the fulfilling of those hadees. Ghazi was not a true follower of prophet Muhammad.Carrying ammunitions and guns inside the mosque was a criminal act, and ghazi paid for his criminal act and died as a criminal. Pervaiz Musharaff must get rid of pakistani society of more such false ulemas
MUNEER, United States of America
massacre
Massacre, Genocide or Democide at Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa
Pakistan Army murdered innocent children and women, dead bodies were humiliated, burnt and disfigured. Use extra ordinary force, choppers and surveillance sophisticated no man planes were used. Nerve gas was used and 72 hours have passed media or any independent agency is not allowed, reporters were removed from hospitals on gun point and barbed wire was drawn to keep out them, it is strongly believed that Army is omitting the signs of their brutalities.
No dead bodies of children and women were let come out side, some reporters informed that large size Army buses with curtains on windows have been used to hide dead bodies of children and women. Treatment to injured persons was not allowed, no private ambulance was allowed to pick injured and dead bodies. Mr. Edhi international fame social worker remained on the scene along with his ambulances but he was not allowed to enter. We are afraid that Army used incinerators to burn bodies particularly of those women and children to avoid reaction of the public. It is also believed that alive and injured peoples were killed by direct shooting.
Army ambulances were moving toward Rawalpindi neighboring city instead of Islamabad where all arrangements and emergency was declared, only a few armed Army personals who were injured were shifted to those hospitals. It was reported that injured were sent to Fauji Foundation Hospital a non-Governmental Hospital, which is under control of retired Army personals.
Supreme Court of Pakistan orders were ignored and invasion on women School and Mosque was started early in the morning to avoid further involvement of Supreme Court. Army Generals are already involved in humiliation to Chief Justice of Pakistan for which case is already in courts.
Unfortunately Human Rights Commission of Pakistan is impartial and its officials have been affiliated with a particular political group, and are belongs to other sects and they handle cases on sectarian and political liking disliking basis. Asma Jahangir Chairman of HRCP belongs to Ahmadi faith and Iqbal Haider belongs to Shia faith and ex activist of Pakistan Peoples Party, whose leader Benazir Bhutto is supporting Musharraf Government due to her political and religious beliefs where as victims belongs to other sect. More over a large number of students belongs to Pushtoon ethnic back ground, which are under genocide since long on the name of war on terror. Pakistan Army killed hundred of peoples which belong to a particular faith and ethnic group.
Actions of Pakistan Army are against any Human Rights charter or convention including Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam, Arab Charter on Human Rights, and Universal declaration of Human Rights.
Following peoples are involved in massacre, genocide or democide; those peoples may please be tried for the violation of following articles of Human Rights.
A certain race, creed, or group is denied recognition as a "person". (Articles 2 & 6)
Different racial or religious groups are not treated as equal. (Article 2)
Life, liberty or security of person is threatened. (Article 3)
Cruel, inhuman or degrading punishment is used on a person (such as torture or execution). (Article 5)
Victims of abuse are denied an effective judicial remedy. (Article 8)
Punishments are dealt arbitrarily or unilaterally, without a proper and fair trial. (Article 11)
Arbitrary interference into personal or private lives by agents of the state. (Article 12)
Citizens are forbidden to leave or return to their country. (Article 13)
Freedom of speech or religion is denied. (Articles 18 & 19)
Genocide is the mass killing of a population of people as defined by Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another
International Professor, Pakistan
Ghazi is an Islamic hero
Here are the answers:
1) That is what Ghazi was trying to do but Musharraf responded with bullets & bombs in the holy Red mosque.
2) Ulema is always right.
3) The Red mosque bloodshed has already united the Pakistani youth under the Ulema & Inshallah we shall fulfill the last wishes of Abdul Rashid Ghazi by responding with a massive wave of suicide bombings all over Musharraf ruled Pakistan.
4) Ghazi always was & Inshallah will remain a hero for Muslim youth around the world.
Mohd Younus, United States of America
The Brutal Govt
the brutal govt had showed his atrocities and dictitorial attitude by killing the innocent and pious students and custodians of madrasa and red mosque. Maulana Abdul Rasheed Ghazi Shaheed and his family were living a very simple life and their aim was to promote Quranic Education. Total children of their family members were also studying in the same madrasa. Those who have conducted the operation and are in favour of it are ignorant. I invite them to study Quran with translation.
Your`s sincerely
aqsaa mehmood, Pakistan
Lal Masjid Tragedy
It is with shame & regret that the 'LAL MASJID TRAGEDY' has occured in
the
so called 'ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN' and
its capital 'ISLAMABAD', it is A SHAME that this country proclaim
itself 'ISLAMIC' and have named its capital as 'ISLAMABAD' whereas
the streets are filled with 'Whore House', 'Massage
Centers', 'Pronographic Material Shops' and the so called ISLAMIC
STATE would not mind anything, on the contrary the leaders and
administrators of this ISLAMIC nation are a part of this evil. The
so called ISLAMABAD which means 'Place inhabited by Muslims' is the
epi-center of the friends and co-ordinators of the fascist regimes
of the world. The leader of this Islamic state have never tried to
get rid of the evils in the society and when someone did, they
Killed them in cold blood and believed that they are TRUE BELIEVERS
and have done the RIGHT thing ???? At one stage they claim that the
actions by the Madrasa & Lalmasjid is wrong and created a bad
example to others about Islam, it is SHAME that this same people
have killed their own brothers & sisters and are now celebrating.
Have they all forgot that their is 'ONE' the most powerful and
omnipotent who is watching us and is close to the hearts of the
people of both the sides ? Have we all forget that this is not the
end of the world and the truth will prevail ? It is good to take
sides on personal reasons but it is SHAME that we give importance to
our personal pleasure over the Islamic values that too being the
citizen and part of the so called 'ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN ??
SHAME ON YOU GUYS - IT IS NEEDED THAT YOU SEARCH YOUR SOUL TO FIND
OUT WHO IS WRONG AND WHO IS NOT. If the Government is right, what
action have they taken so far to get rid of the evils of society, a
society that is famous for the most CORRUPT people, a society that
is famous for its internal bias and clashes, a society & government
that helps the fascists to kill their own brothers on their own
homeland, if it is not a SHAME then what it is ??
Congratutlations to the families of the brothers & sisters who have
attained 'SHAHADAT', Insha Allah you will see them in the best abode
and the highest ranks on the day of judgement.
The world hasn't ended yesterday and will not end today, the HAQ
(Truth) will prevail and Allah willing those who have rejoiced the
killing of their brothers & sisters today will see the moment (Insha
Allah) where Allah (swt) will guide their TRUE believers to the
victory. But the victory will come with a price, while cleansing
the evil and during the process we might loose some great people
like 'ABDUL RASHEED GHAZI' Ramthullah Allaih - May Allah (swt) bless
him with the best place hereafter and may Allah (swt) give him and
his followers the neighbourhood of Prophet (saws) - Aaameen. These
were the people who have tried with their heart to get rid of evils
so that Allah (swt) have mercy on us and our Prophet (saws) will be
pleased to note that the Ummah is going in the right path and proud
that their exist people who have fought against the evil and
attained SHADAT just for the cause of cleansing the evil from the
Ummah. But SHAME very few people are realizing it.
May Allah (swt) guide us all in the true path, the path that He has
chosen and not the path that WE want - Aameen.
"O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one
with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of
ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful."
(Surah Al Hujraat 49:6)
Allah (swt) knows the best...
sidra gul" , Pakistan
It is sad yet disciplinery act
It is like a sad mishap within a family and it does'nt need pointing blame fingers on any body.
Pakistan's geo strategy puts immense stress on the governances,which requires moving along with majority world at one hand and it also requires keeping some traditional ways not getting extremist type shape of conduct.
Opinions can be made to have peaceful and arms free co-existense.Things have sad consequences when people start taking up very deadly weapons to force their ways.
Then,it is not that easy situation as Pakistan's north west was fully exploited in the culmination of one sole super power at the expense of downing the other. Allegiances were made for people to lay down their lives to precipitate the world's power prowess into one sole super power.There was neglect of making some faithful forgetable.
But,sadly enough,some one did'nt want to bow down after playing the key role in Afghan-Russo war and making of America as the sole super power.
So,problems and difficulties were expected like in all time past historical changes of that magnitudes and dimensions.Sad things like this one have happened in Pakistan too. The situation would have been uncontrollably bad if the Pak army was not there to pacify explosive situations into controlled carnage.
THIS CARNAGE IS NOTHING COMPARED TO SITUATION IN AFGHANISTAN OR IRAQ. PAK MILITARY AND MUSHARRAF HAVE MANAGED THINGS WITH MINIMAL LOSS AND WITH RAPID OPERATIONS WITH CASUALTIES NO WORSE THAN A PLANE OR TRAIN CRASH.
YOU CAN HAVE ONE REGULATING AUTHORITY AND POWER THAT IS EFFECTIVE, STRONG, UNITED, DISCIPLINED AND RESULTS ORIENTED.PAK MILITARY AND MUSHARRAF HAVE PREVENTED A CONSTANT WAR LIKE SITUATION THAT WAS SEEN, THROUGHOUT HISTORY,IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD AFTER A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE COURSE OF HISTORY.
WE ARE NOT CELEBRATING THE DEFEAT OR VICTORY IN THIS CARNAGE.THE NATION IS SAD OVER THE DEATH IN THE FAMILY AND IS WONDERING HOW SUCH CARNAGE CAN BE AVOIDED IN FUTURE.THE NATION CAN HAVE ONLY ONE AUTHORITY INSTEAD OF SMALL ARMED GROUPS FORCING THEIR MINORITY WRIT IN SPORADIC AND SCATTERED LOCATIONS.
IN THE WEST,POLICE WOULD HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THE WHOLE SITUATION AND WOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED ACCUMULATION OF SO MANY WEAPONS WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN.
EVEN IN BRITISH OR MOGHAL TIMES,ONLY NWFP TRIBAL AREAS COULD HAVE GUNS AND THEY WERE CONFINED TO THEIR AUTONOMOUS TERRITORIES WITH NO ARMED INTERVENTION WITH MAJORITY MAIN STREAM PEOPLE. THESE TRIBALS OF NWFP FOUGHT THEIR INTER FEUDS,BLOODY OR NOT,AND LIVED WITH THEIR SELF CREATED CONSEQUENCES.
PAKISTAN HAS THE ULTIMATE POWER AND THAT IS PAK ARMY, WHICH IS DISCIPLINED, UNITED AND VERY STRONG.THE POLICE SIMPLY COULD NOT HANDLE THE SITUATION,WHICH IS CULMINATION OF VERY BIG EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE 20 YEARS OR SO AGO AND LASTED FOR OVER A DECADE.
AS THE PAK TRIBUNE POLL CONCLUDES,THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN WANT ONE AUTHORITY TO HANDLE AND CONTROL THINGS THAT HAPPENED AFTER THE FALL OF SOVIET EMPIRE WITH PRECIPITATION OF US AS SOLE SUPER POWER.
ANY GROUP OR NUMBER OF GROUPS STILL NEED THE NATION'S CONSENT TO LET THINGS HAPPEN.I THINK AND AS I HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT THE ULTIMATE POWER AND AUTHORITY,WHICH IS PAK MILITARY,WILL AND CAN PERFORM OPERATIONS FOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE COUNTRY.
SOME MILITARY OPERATIONS WILL BRING GRIEF AND SADNESS,BUT IT IS BETTER THAN HAVING MULTI POWER AUTHORITIES IMPOSING THEIR OWN WILL ON THE PEOPLE.
SOME EVENTS IN PAKISTAN ARE BEYOND POLICE POWER TO CONTROL.IF THE POWER GROUPS WERE NOT HEAVILY ARMED,THE POLICE COULD MANAGE.
THE PAK GOVERNANCE IS NOW DESCRIBED AT MANY PLACES AS THE TOUGHEST JOB FOR ANY BODY TO RULE AND GOVERN.
EVEN IN AMERICA AND CANADA, PEOPLE GET SHOT IF THEY POINT WEAPONS ON POLICE.IN PAKISTAN,IN SOME ODD CASES, THINGS HAVE GONE WAY BEYOND THE SCOPE OF POLICE AUTHORITY.THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE TO CALL IN THE ULTIMATE POWER AND AUTHORITY,WHICH IS PAK ARMY.
FOR LAW AND ORDER MAINTENANCE,IT BECOMES IMPERATIVE DUTY OF EVERY CITIZEN TO SUPPORT AND CO-OPERATE WITH OUR MILITARY AS THEY ARE THE ULTIMATE POWER.
THE CARNAGE HAS ENDED SADLY AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS STAND OFF.BUT,THE POWER GROUPS WON'T GAIN ANY THING BY TAKING UP ARMS AGAINST THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY, WHICH IS PAK ARMY.
EVEN WITH SADNESS ABOUT THE CARNAGE,THERE IS SANGUINE FEELIGS THAT THE WORLD REVERBERATING NEWS OF LAL MASJID HAS BEEN SWIFTLY GOT UNDER CONTROL BY OUR VERY CAPABLE MILITARY. PAK ARMY HAS EFFECTIVELY DIFFUSED AND CONTROLLED AN ENORMOUSLY EXPLOSIVE ISSUE WITH MINIMAL LOSS OF LIFE TO MAKE IT LOOK NO WORSE THAN A RAIL OR PLANE CRASH.THE CASUALTY FIGURES ARE MUCH SMALLER THAN A TRAIN OR PLANE CRASH.
MUSHARRAF AND THE PAK ARMY HAVE SHOWN TREMENDOUS CAPABILITY BY RESOLVING A WORLD CLASS DANGER BY MAKING IT LOOK LIKE NO MORE THAN A PLANE OR TRAIN CRASH.
CERTAINLY, PEOPLER ARE SAD ON UN-NECESSARY BLEEDING WITHIN PAK FAMILY.
LET US PREVENT THEM MISHAPS IN FUTURE.
Anwar Mahmood, Canada
Lal Masjid
I think they did not do anything according to Islam and the teachings of Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him). It reflects very bad image of muslims around the globe. Because of few extremists, the religion has to suffer.
Farooq, Australia
Vinod.
First mr ghazi had his masters and as an anti muslim you keep your moronic shivalingham worshiping brian in check.As Muslims in Pakistani grieve over the murderous events that killed over 1000 students and the Deputy Chief Ghazi Abdul Rasheed at Lala Mosque yesterday, the propaganda is rife. Moreover, US President Bush has lauded Musharafs brutal siege as a victory in the “war on terror” and mainstream media is talking up all the alleged Taliban and Al-Qaeda militants who were killed inside. These are all blantant, ruthless lies aimed at terrorizing Muslims who practice their deen and an American effort to assist the puppet Musharaaf who is losing control of Pakistan to regain his authority and show he is “tough on terror”. This is the defining moment for Pakistan. The War that was ignited by US across the western border has raged to the very heart of Pakistani society.May allah bless them.May allah curse this munafiq army traitors.Oh Pakistani nation! Rise up and overthrow this apostate who has rebelled against the Allah’s commands.
Oh Pakistani Ulema! Come forwards and join hands with the innocents of Lal Mosque and shed your fear of this tyrant.
Oh Pakistani Islamic politicians! Shed your hypocritical and ambiguous stance for Allah shall surely make you accountable.
Oh Pakistani Youth! Rise up and prepare for Jihad against the great evil, the United States and her client the Musharraf regime that is worst hypocrite on the face of this earth.
Oh Allah! Grant help to the oppressed women and children who are being slaughtered in your cause by the munafiqeen forces.
Oh Allah! Destroy this evil army and replace it with the believers, and strengthen the hands of Mujahideen to strike them hard.
May Allah destroy all those forces of Munafiqeen who have supported this tyrant regime overtly and covertly through their reporting in the media and their evil designs.
Pakistan zinndaabadd.
saladeen rumi, United States of America
Beginning of another bloody saga.
Mullahs Aziz,Rashid & their father were patronized by Ayub Khan,Zia Ul Haq and then
by Influential elements in present government.Musarraf & his cohorts knew long time ago what was going on inside these medrussas but for selfish reasons ignored it. Mullahs dug their own graves when they abducted chinese women in Islamabad. I think General got clear cut message from PEKING- clear the mess or ---.Sad that it had to end this way.Irony is that thugs of MQM are roaming the street of Karachi without
any remorse. The killing on May 12 has been forgotten. A new bloody chapter in the history of Pakistan has opened
No matter whose fault it was, the saga of bloodshed will continue.When you don't enforce law and use law selectively, the end result is
lawlessness.
Alamsher K. Wazir, United States of America
Neo-Fundamentalists al-Qaeda Tribalism
...by eager Talebanisation of Pakistan's Western border!
One of the ideologues of the mosque, Ume Hassan, Aziz' wife, was arrested with her daughter Asma and 30 hardcore members of the Women's Brigade of Lal Masjid.
The storming of the mosque is the first seizure of Taliban assets in Pakistan and is certain to have a strong ripple effect throughout the country as the mosque has strong links with jihadis and the Pakistani Taliban in the tribal areas on the border with Afghanistan.
Although the offensive in Pakistan's federal capital - which has captured international headlines - is finally playing out, one question remains. Who is the real director of the drama?
Observers and analysts believe there might be several - one running the show separately in Lal Masjid, and others pulling strings from the outside. If so, there can be no clean, simple end to the saga.
The next episode has already begun in Batkhaila, North West Frontier Province, where the pro-Taliban Tehrik-i-Nifaz-i-Shariat-i-Moham has clashed with the military and seized all highways in the area, including on the Silk Road leading to China.
It is only a matter of time before the US-led "war on terror" formally crosses the Pakistani border.
SALAAM (you untold Black Widows)
Shokat Saleem, Germany
Lets ask questions !
The eight-day long “Operation Silence” has ended with the death of Maulana Abdul Rasheed Ghazi, and his 70 aides in addition to 8 security troops, including a Lt. colonel and a Capt. To the families who lost a loved one, regardless of which side of the operation they were on
I wish them Peace and Patience to see them through a very difficult time!
In the words of the ISPR spoke person, a Maj. Gen. Arshad Waheed the seminary students and others in the mosque were not only well equipped with weapons, they also were well trained and fought hard. This leads me to the obvious question...How could such weaponary be amassed into the confines of the mosque, especially in the capital of Pakistan, just down the road from the ISI offices..How could this happen! Regardless of all the Western pressure that Musharraf is feeling, his intellegence agencies have seriously let him down, to the extent that I would ask if there was some deliberateness about this entire fiasco. If this was not an abject failure on it's part then it would seem, arguably that the ISI may still have Jihadist sympathisers and if that is so, then what is Musharraf to do about it? Coupled with the Red Mosque fiasco, the alleged rounds fired at Musharraf's plane as it took off, again in the capital city, only fortifies the theory behind ISI complicity. Finally it leads me to wonder if perhaps, there is a faction of the military waiting in the wings to mount yet another coup, one to rid the country of Musharraf and two, attempt to bring about some civilian leadership into place. Theoritically, all this would happen with the assistance and blessing of Western powers. In their view, Musharraf may have become a liability. All together, Pakistan is going through, probably the most critical period in it's history. With all the fractious influences within Pakistan, from the BLA to the AL Qaida to the Jihadists, not to mention the outside mechanism of RAW, the Afghan intellegence and the Iranians,
Pakistan has to very carefully tread through this period, carefully manuevering through this minefield of disaster, and if not, then it could possibly end up losing it's sovereignity and national identity. Operation Silence and the like, outside of clearing the Red Mosque compounds of radical seminarians, should evoke calls for the analysis and examination of the total failure that the ISI has been. Furthermore, this should give Musharraf (if he is still there)reason and purpose to further clean house at the ISI and any of the other agencies, if found complicit in any way! Finally, the religious right, which, by their behaviour towards others clearly look like a Muslim version of the Christian Right, here, needs to decide if they are going to work towards the preservation of Pakistan or the piecing of Pakistan. Beyond acquiring political power, the religious group has really been only a mouth piece for the Jihadists and done more harm to the country. We all know, too well about the mischief that the Maulanas have done, from being pedophiles to abusing their positions in other areas. Perhaps it is time for the Pakistani legislature to seriously consider separation of church(in this case mosque) and state. What you have now is not working, More than anything, education of and for the masses. stretching from cities to every village in Pakistan needs to be a major priority. That is not to discount religious education. Pakistan cannot continue to exist successfully, with just Islamic education. Self reliance, self identity and equality amongst it's citizens, male and female should be the cornerstone of some form of democracy in Pakistan, if it is to survive today and flourish tomorrow!
Intrepid, United States of America
Shame
MMA is quick to hold the President responsible for the Lal Masjid issue. None of them is taking responsibility for the actions of the residents of the Masjid. If the occupants were students then what was the large cache of weapons doing in the mosque? What makes them believe that they can take the law into their hands and start abducting the people who supposedly were involved in immoral acts?
The process of peace was not broken by the government but by the terrorist inside the mosque. A lesson to those who have not figured it out yet, if you want to bring about a change in your country do it from the inside. Join the political process. Prove to the people that you are the right candidate and make laws to better the country.
Oh, people of Pakistan, the world is watching you. You say that you are willing to die for your religion how come you don’t say you want to live for your religion? Why don’t you want to show the world that you are happy with your own existence? Why don’t you want show the world that we can all co exists the way it was taught to us by our dear Prophet Hazrat Mohammed (P.B.U.H)
SHR Tirmizi, United States of America
Let war on Mullahs continue
Great job Pakistan, now please kill the remaining anti Pakistan snakes with beards pretending to be religious leaders.
they only lead the illiterate, ignorant and are full of hatred for Pakistan.
These people should be confronted now in a final battle for the soul of Pakistan.
Good job Musharraf, I have respect for you once again. I was mad at musharraf for not moving earlier, now I am pleased he finally moved.
I salute the brave soldiers of Pakistan for their great sacrifice. You are the true and only Shaeed, those terrorists will go to hell. I hope MMA follows them to hell.
Nadeem Shah, United States of America
Red Mosque Operation
There is no doubt that this kind of operation is a shameful operation in any countries history and its effects are felt for a long time to come. If this problem could been solved without any casualties it would have been better but it did not work that way.Now lets look at the questions
1.I think clerics at Lal masjid are at fault for this carnage. Masjid and Madrsa are suppose to be a natural ground where violence is not taught and not tolerated. Then why these clerics were having machine guns and harboring terrorists. I think government gave them enough options and time to surrender but they chose to fight.
2. Tis issue could have been solved ny talks if these illetrated clerics understand what is at risk. Most of them do not even understand what Martydom is. What Mr. Ghazi did is murder suicide. There is no room in heaven for murder or suicide.
3.To defend Mr. Musharaf I think he tried every possible human way to make these people understand that terrorisam will not be tolerated. If Mr.ghazi would have surrender along with other hardened criminals it would have been a peace ful event. Mr. Ghazi knew he will be hanged after the trial so him and his croonies chose the path of destruction.
4. Extremism is already out of hand in Pakistan. If any thing this should be a lesson for other extremist that government of Pakistan means what it says.Parents needs to teach their kids about islam and diffrence between following the religion and going way out to exterme. While government has the upper hand now they should ban all extreme parties.
5.Mr Ghazi is not a hero he is responsible for all the innocent people killed in ths shoot out. Real heros are the military persnal who got killed because their commander order them to a operation. They took the pledge of uniform to the heart and did what needs to be done. If Mr Ghazi wanted to be a hero he should have let every one else out of the masjid and then fight by himself. Hodling women and children as shield is not bravery but cowardness in my book. My stymphty to the families of those who got killed and may Allah bless the soul of departed.
Vinod, United States of America
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